DHX Air For DH

[BIGHIT8989]

DHX Air on a SWD Crazy 8, Good idea, or not. Opinions...?

[Sirbikesalot]

I know the regular Dhx and a Crazy 8 ride awesome together. I'm sure the air would feel great too I'd just be worried about how long it lasts.

[BIGHIT8989]

Originally Posted by Sirbikesalot

. I'm sure the air would feel great too I'd just be worried about how long it lasts.

Yeah thats what i was thinkin bout

[Rye Bread]

Originally Posted by BIGHIT8989

Yeah thats what i was thinkin bout

durability on the DHX air is awesome. What it really comes down to is the courses you're going to be riding. For every track in California except the expert/pro track at N* it should be totally fine.

[BIGHIT8989]

Originally Posted by Rye Bread

For every track in California except the expert/pro track at N* it should be totally fine.

and there's my problem haha, I can actually say with confidence (YAY) that i am Expert. took 2 years and I am there.

But thanks for the insight Ryan:35:

[organizedrage]

The DHX Air is typically associated with free-ride rather than downhill, also you blow the seals, and be without a shock.

:dunno:

[Sirbikesalot]

Originally Posted by organizedrage

The DHX Air is typically associated with free-ride rather than downhill, also you blow the seals, and be without a shock.

:dunno:

I would have thought the opposite since in DH you are more worried about having a light bike where as in Freeride you just want something strong and just not too heavy.

I remember reading some Dhx air threads on RM a whiiile ago, they had some good info. Maybe try searching on there.

[Rye Bread]

Originally Posted by organizedrage

The DHX Air is typically associated with free-ride rather than downhill, also you blow the seals, and be without a shock.

:dunno:

wrong, they are aweomse DH shocks for somewhat smoother tracks, or even if they are inside some linkage, but on a single pivot like that they will get beat on pretty hard and definetly fade. I've ridden an M3 on super long rough DH with them, and thru the VPP they work great, even for extended runs.

As for people who still think air suspension is unreliable, think about this. Tasso and I have boxxer airs that have outlasted all my friends 40s.

[Nemesis Gnat]

Originally Posted by Rye Bread

wrong, they are aweomse DH shocks for somewhat smoother tracks, or even if they are inside some linkage, but on a single pivot like that they will get beat on pretty hard and definetly fade. I've ridden an M3 on super long rough DH with them, and thru the VPP they work great, even for extended runs.

As for people who still think air suspension is unreliable, think about this. Tasso and I have boxxer airs that have outlasted all my friends 40s.

yay! thats me!

[Raacerx]

the rebound on the DHX air will substantially increase on a long sustained and rough downhill. Pretty bad. it just cannot match the coil in that area of performance, stuff gets too hot. For everything aside from knarly long downhills, Id say go for it.

[Nemesis Gnat]

so heres my 2 cents...

id stay away from the swd in the first place... but, you may as well get the dhx air for it if oyu do, some dampin fade isnt all that big a deal

i think the only courses whered youd really run into a issue are the really high speed long courses, like keystone or what i hear of teluride or a lot of the colorado stuff... snowmass (thinks whoops for 4 minutes)... i think northstar is too slow in the really rough parts to get the shock working fast enough that it cant overcome the heat generation. and take a look at the fork again, its perfect even at the end of a 10 minute blaster run at keystone... it does have more metal, and therefore more heatsink, than the shock does, but hey who givesadarn... truth is, on those courses youre prolly gonna run too much rebound dampening anyway, so it makes up for youre lack of shock tuning experience:tired: ...

aaaaand then again, didnt et use a dhx air at ggg a year or 2 ago? its a pretty fast rough course (suspension tester), but then again its not as looooong...

iono, im no expert, i just know what works for me...

are you actually thinkin about gettin that setup jeroot?

[Rye Bread]

Originally Posted by Nemesis Gnat

i think northstar is too slow in the really rough parts to get the shock working fast enough that it cant overcome the heat generation

Word up T money, I think the only run there that would test its limit is Speed Control, but tahts what...40 seconds long prolly less, it takes a lot more than that to fade a shock out.

[Nemesis Gnat]

:006: high fives!!!:006:

[Raacerx]

Originally Posted by Nemesis Gnat

so heres my 2 cents...

id stay away from the swd in the first place... but, you may as well get the dhx air for it if oyu do, some dampin fade isnt all that big a deal

i think the only courses whered youd really run into a issue are the really high speed long courses, like keystone or what i hear of teluride or a lot of the colorado stuff... snowmass (thinks whoops for 4 minutes)... i think northstar is too slow in the really rough parts to get the shock working fast enough that it cant overcome the heat generation. and take a look at the fork again, its perfect even at the end of a 10 minute blaster run at keystone... it does have more metal, and therefore more heatsink, than the shock does, but hey who givesadarn... truth is, on those courses youre prolly gonna run too much rebound dampening anyway, so it makes up for youre lack of shock tuning experience:tired: ...

aaaaand then again, didnt et use a dhx air at ggg a year or 2 ago? its a pretty fast rough course (suspension tester), but then again its not as looooong...

iono, im no expert, i just know what works for me...

are you actually thinkin about gettin that setup jeroot?

you cannot compare a fork to a rear shock. think of the oil size difference. a fork has much much more oil and is also is not experiencing a 2.5:1 compression ratio. A fork also has a larger volume of air and as air is heated, it expands, increasing the spring rate of your rear air shock. You also ride the rear shock with your weight more then a fork and the direction of the compression of the shock is not angled like that of your front fork; it isnt going somewhat with the terrain it is instead going somewhat against the terrain(perpendicular) when your moving at speed. I do think in most cases there isnt any disadvantage to an air shock. I also think that if your riding trails like Tunnel in Santa Barbara or a few trails around here that I ride...the advantages of an air shock (lighter weight and some extra tuneability) suddenly seem small in comparison to the advantages of a coil shock (stronger, more reliable, higher fade capacity, can conform to a wide range of terrain).

but...thats just my 2 cents. My DHX with a Ti spring weighs about a 1/4 pound less then then an Air DHX of the same size. You can make a coil DHX feel just like an air DHX, but I will agree that air pressure will give you a wider range of spring rate choice. However I always run one single spring rate, but I adjust my Propedal, reservoir air pressure, rebound, and bottom out to the course.

PS. I always have to much to say... Your SWD, does the rear end flex compared to the shock? All bikes do it to some degree, I would think an SWD would do it more with a single pivot and steel construction. If not great. If so...remember that torsional forces like that will destroy an air shock far far faster then a coil shock which does not rely strictly on keeping air pressure around the main shaft of the shock.

[organizedrage]

Originally Posted by organizedrage

The DHX Air is typically associated with free-ride rather than downhill, also you blow the seals, and be without a shock.

:dunno:

People seem to highly disagree with me, but when I called fox that is what they said would be the purpose of the shock.